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This is a forwarded message From: Simon Cusack <simon.cusack@iinet.com.au> To: Quixote-Users <quixote-users@mems-exchange.org> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2004, 12:53:53 PM Subject: [Quixote-users] Help me work out why Quixote is so much easier to use ===8<==============Original message text=============== Hi All, I have recently been evaluating ASP.NET (I know, god help me) and I find it breaks with all of the comfortable and natural practices that I have built up using Quixote. ASP.NET just doesn't feel right. I am trying to put my finger on exactly what it is about Quixote that seems to be such a good fit for web apps and why that is missing from ASP. So far I have thought of the following; - Quixote lets you model the entire URL space - ASP lets you model static directories and pages with dynamic content. - Quixote uses the directory as the main focus of development (ie, an object with a _q_index and various methods to represent pages) - ASP use the page as the main focus of development, each page must work out its own place within the business logic. - Quixote makes it easy to setup parent/child relationships between objects and pass context down the path via the url. - ASP pages must all contain a reference to a global module to access common information. An ASP page knows nothing about its parent or its children. - Quixote doesn't have GUI for development that obfuscates the relationships between the business objects. - ASP has a GUI that forces an outmoded development model (ie, drag and drop point and click) onto the developer. Good for Winforms, lousy for dynamic web apps. - Quixote treats the creation of html pages almost as an after thought, the main thing to be developed is the business logic and the relationships between business objects. The way they render a pages is a facet of the current context. - ASP treats the creation of html pages as the _only_ thing that is important. - Quixote allows separation of UI from logic by allowing the objects to factor out the creation of the pages. - ASP allows separation of the UI from logic by "code behind" classes, but as the page _is_ the main focus of development all ASP examples I have seen so far make controls visible/invisible depending on the context and you can't factor this out because the code behind class and the page share the same name, ie, index.asxp, index.asxp.cs is the csharp code behind page. What does everybody else think? Regards, Simon. _______________________________________________ Quixote-users mailing list Quixote-users@mems-exchange.org http://mail.mems-exchange.org/mailman/listinfo/quixote-users ===8<===========End of original message text=========== ... |
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| 12.07.2004, 15:51 |
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- Quixote lets you model the entire URL space - ASP lets you model static directories and pages with dynamic content. Используй шаблоны,MVC и моделируй всю аппликацию. - Quixote uses the directory as the main focus of development (ie, an object with a _q_index and various methods to represent pages) - ASP use the page as the main focus of development, each page must work out its own place within the business logic. Используй Web Froms User Controls - Quixote makes it easy to setup parent/child relationships between objects and pass context down the path via the url. - ASP pages must all contain a reference to a global module to access common information. An ASP page knows nothing about its parent or its children. И кто такое сказал? - Quixote doesn't have GUI for development that obfuscates the relationships between the business objects. - ASP has a GUI that forces an outmoded development model (ie, drag and drop point and click) onto the developer. Good for Winforms, lousy for dynamic web apps. Во-первых просто не верно, во вторых никто не обязывает пользоваться GUI - Quixote treats the creation of html pages almost as an after thought, the main thing to be developed is the business logic and the relationships between business objects. The way they render a pages is a facet of the current context. - ASP treats the creation of html pages as the _only_ thing that is important. Цель ASP/NET не конечное создание HTML, а та bussiness logic которую "создаёт" программист. - Quixote allows separation of UI from logic by allowing the objects to factor out the creation of the pages. - ASP allows separation of the UI from logic by "code behind" classes, but as the page _is_ the main focus of development all ASP examples I have seen so far make controls visible/invisible depending on the context and you can't factor this out because the code behind class and the page share the same name, ie, index.asxp, index.asxp.cs is the csharp code behind page. Интересно? А как же WebMatrix и все страницы без codebehind? What does everybody else think? Что покаместь лучше ASP.NET ничего не придумано. А с выходом .NET Framework v2.0 - ASP.NET станет лучше. ... |
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| 12.07.2004, 20:07 |
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Наш ответ турецкому султану :) ... |
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| 13.07.2004, 09:33 |
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Вот только почему-то яникогда не слышал об этом Quixote .... С чего бы это для такого крутого средства разработки? -- Tygra's -- ... |
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| 13.07.2004, 12:16 |
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Вообще-то похоже на рекламу, я ещё раздумывал грохнуть или нет, но потом оставил - написано неплохо. --- Хотя про этот Qxxx я тоже ничего не слышал ... |
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| 13.07.2004, 14:35 |
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Вообще-то они так Python обозвали... ... |
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| 13.07.2004, 17:17 |
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EvAlexВообще-то они так Python обозвали... Quixote - это Web-framework на Питоне http://www.mems-exchange.org/software/quixote/ http://quixote.ca Вообще, Python - это целый [достаточно обособленный] мир, и главенствует в нём принцип K.I.S.S. ... ... |
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| 16.11.2004, 21:04 |
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tygraВот только почему-то яникогда не слышал об этом Quixote .... С чего бы это для такого крутого средства разработки? Вот тут чел пишет что пользует его. http://www.sql.ru/forum/actualthread.aspx?tid=47592 ... |
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| 29.12.2004, 00:26 |
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